The Covenant: God's relationship to Jews, Israelites and
Art Braidic (a minister of the Church of God) and I have enjoyed
a biblical discussion about whether or not God's covenant with
Judah is still active. I trust others may glean something
profitable from our fellowship. I start with his intial response
and add my comments:
My conclusion is that God brought them back to fulfill
prophecy, not to re-establish them as a nation permanently.
Thank you Art for prayerfully considering all this about Judah's
return under Ezra and Nehemiah and taking the time to respond.
May God bless our fellowship and inspire us all to a better
understanding of this holy subject. Such discussions prove true
that "iron sharpens iron."
God did indeed bring Judah back (but not all were willing to
return just like today) to fulfill prophecy, but I must question
if that was the only reason why did God not only send a scion of
David (Zerubbabel), and a governor (Nehemiah), but a PRIEST to
instruct the People in the Torah? Ezra had his Work cut out for
him and did a marvelous job (Ezra 7:10).
His NATIONAL CONGREGATION repented of their Sabbath breaking
(Nehemiah 13:17-22) and mixed marriages and entered into a
COVENANT WITH GOD. We have no record of the Gentilized Israelite
ever repenting, even in part, or returning and submitting to
biblical instruction (Ezra 10:1-3).
Judah had sinned worse than Israel originally, but THEY REPENTED
and were brought back. Israel never repented and was never
brought back. Some of Judah remained repentant from THE RETURN
to the time of Yashua, the New Testament bearing them record:
The priestly parents of John the Baptist (Luke 1:6), Simon and
Anna - two holy and elderly witnesses and the Torah-observant
Yosef and Mariam (Luke 2:25, 36-39).
And Yashua said of the Gentiles and testified about the Jews:
22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship,
for salvation is of the Jews.
He couldn't say that about the Gentilized Israelites who had
lost it all!
The Old Testament was to have seven eras.
I know the Church teaches this and I have shared it with
others, but the Church isn't consistent when they reject the
God-given authority of the scribes and the Pha
risees that Christ acknowledged on the matters of the
sacred calendar and responsibility to properly proclaim the holy
Christ was to come from Judah. All this was fulfilled and
then, God destroyed the nation and scattered them exactly like
He did their sister Israel.
God had already destroyed the former Judah and Jerusalem and
scattered the Jews, but many of them repented and returned (part
of true national repentance is to return to the Land, not just
the Law). Those faithful Jews, the parents of John, the parents
of Yashua, Simon, Anna, and others like them remained faithful
and accepted the Light that God had sent Judah and when the
others rejected Him they were rejected.
But the physical and spiritual foundation of converted Jews
continued without fail! The early Church was entirely Jewish, as
you know. That Jewish/biblical foundation was most instrumental
in the construction of the spiritual Temple that includes
Gentiles converts into that holy Branch. Most of Judah was
temporarily cut off, just like the Gentilized Israelites, but
SOME of them never were and continued right on as pioneers of
faith towards the "New Jerusalem!"
Antiocus went through the land devastating it it and putting
the abomination in the temple. I submit that if these people
were God's people, in a covenant with them, then they would have
not suffered so.
Isn't that a gospel of peace and prosperity? Don't true
believers suffer persecution? If God wasn't in covenant with
Judah, why did Yashua call the defiled and CLEANSED Temple "My
Father's House?" God sent Judah - still His covenant people at
that point - the Macabbees as in the days of the Judges, just as
the Church also teaches that Daniel prophesied of them as the
"people who know their God and do (military) exploits," and they
formed part of the seven eras of the Old Testament. Another
To me, after Christ's death, any relationship was completley
Yes, I agree that after the unwarranted hatred Yashua
experienced at the hands of His brethren, like our father Joseph
did earlier as a type, the Anointed One who came to purify
Judah's religion and correct their misunderstandings and rebuke
idolatrous traditions (which is why He spent so much time with
the God-ordained Pharisees). He warned Judah of the Temple's
imminent destruction and their dispersion and they rejected Him
and His warning message and many of them paid for it with their
lives, God was through - for the most part - with collective
Judah. However, as stated above, God kept His Word to be the God
of our fathers and our God to a remnant, folks like the
righteous I've mentioned whose kind made up the early Church.
As Paul writes... Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become
dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married
to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we
should bring forth fruit unto God.
I do know your point, but to be technical, it's speaking of US
being dead to sin (and its penalty) and resurrected in Christ,
able to now marry Righteousness - it doesn't state that about
So, in the marriage to Israel, God was married to Judah. Once
He died, He was able to remarry. He now is espoused to those He
has called, and He will marry them at His return.
I know and have also shared this Church teaching, but the
Scriptures reveal God saying to physical Israelites in these
last days, God pleading with us to return to Him as our Husband,
that He never divorced us! Judah and Israel are still married to
God even if we've broken our part of the covenant relationship
and God has "SEPARATED" us from Him due to our unrepentant sins!
But He wants us back! (Isaiah 50:1, Jeremiah 3:14).
The Church, like the Prophets, ought to call our people back
to the Law and the Covenant that God made with our Fathers
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (and confirmed with our fathers at
Mount Sinai) and wants to RENEW with us and improve upon it by
writing His Torah upon the tablets of our converted hearts and
minds, so help us God!
I actually do not know what replacement theology is.
It is denying the spiritual importance of physical Israel to God
forever, regardless of our present sins that will soon be
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For
they are not all Israel, which are of Israel, Neither, because
they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In
Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the
children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but
the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
All this is saying is that race alone isn't sufficient. That a
physical Israelite must also have a spiritual Israelite identity
or they're nothing more than physically circumcised spiritual
Gentiles! And that physical Gentiles can be spiritual Israelites
and join the Body of converted Israelite believers: the remnant
of physical Israel who isn't blinded!
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God
lacement theology would say it doesn't matter because
spiritual Israel has replaced any need for physical Israelites
to be in a covenant relationship with God and such a damnable
heresy is dead wrong! Paul then stresses his PHYSICAL TRIBAL
IDENTITY - he didn't dismiss it as unimportant. God must always
have at least a chosen few physical Israelites to keep His
Promise to our Fathers to be their God and the God of their
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to
myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the
image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a
remnant according to the election of grace.
So, there is a remnant according to grace, not race. Who is
that remnant comprised of?
Not so! The very example Paul used were ALL ISRAELITE. Why speak
of a remnant except to refer to the relatively chosen few
ISRAELITES who have not gone astray or been blinded? The remnant
pertains to physical Israelites who are converted Israelites!
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh
for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were
The election or remnant of physical ISRAELITES! Just like the
vast majority of Jews rejected Jesus but a remnant of physical
Jews remained faithful and formed the foundational Church of God
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also
holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some
of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive
tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the
root and fatness of the olive tree
While not the firstfruits, they are still holy because they
are God's people.
It is converted physical Israelites who are the firstfruits,
converted physical Israelite who are the roots, a converted
physical Israelite olive tree that converted Gentile can be
grafted into! We are the Israelite Church of God, as Herbert W.
Armstrong taught, and it is counterfeit Christianity that is a
Gentile Church that seeks to replace physical Israelites in
every way, physically and spiritually.
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this
mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that
blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of
the Gentiles be come in.
Blindness IN PART, a partial blindness among Jews and
Israelites. I really don't understand why God had to blind any
of our people, maybe you know? Why couldn't He just work with
Gentiles and Israelites at the same time like He does in the
Church? Ancient Israel always accepted Gentile converts and they
weren't at the expense of any Israelites. I really don't
understand this part of the mystery and pray to grasp it better!
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There
shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away
ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when
I shall take away their sins.
Back to physical Israel, showing their physical descent from
Jacob-Israel remains important to God despite "spiritual
Israel." Again, it's because of the covenant that God made with
our Fathers. That's why the "Time of Jacob's Trouble" will be
cut short - mainly for the ethnic election, the physical
Israelites' sakes! not the spiritual Church of God alone.
22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be
saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.
9 Unless the LORD of hosts
Had left to us a very small remnant,
We would have become like Sodom,
We would have been made like Gomorrah.
44 Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their
enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to
utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them; for I am
the LORD their God. 45 But for their sake I will remember the
covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of
Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I
am the LORD.'"
This GOOD NEWS is why the first chapter of Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and
Fall is gladly called "Survival Guaranteed!"
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your
sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the
Just like Elijah was opposed by most of his nation of Gentilized
Israelites, and the 7,000 were the chosen few (COG - Cave of
God), all physical Israelites, so most of the nation of Judah
rejected My God Yah in the flesh except for the chosen few
physical Israelites who became converted and were the Church of
God in Judea! The election - the ethnic elect, the Chosen
People, will finally respond to our calling to become a Kingdom
of Priests, a Light to all Nations, so help us God! Hosanna in
Rom 11: 30 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that
he might have mercy upon all.
This is the mystery I wrote of above that I would like to
As you stated, their time will come again, but I believe it
is not now.
I agree that the vast majority of Joes and Jews are presently
blinded, but I believe there are individuals with whom God is
working, His Holy Spirit is WITH THEM (not yet in them, like
with His disciples originally), as part of the process of
national redemption, laying the groundwork, preparing the way,
for when God chooses to call us all again into a COVENANT
RELATIONSHIP with Him, like Gershon Salomon of the Temple Mount
Faithful and other faithful Jews, exceptions, just like Simon
Even as Herbert W. Armstrong taught the children of Church
members are SANCTIFIED (I Corinthians 7:14), so too are the
children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Ezra 9:2). I believe this
revelation needs to be better understood and taught in the
I love the Jewish people. I find them among the most bright,
professional, and talented people in the world.
I know you do. I never doubted it. I also know that Judah offers
the best and the worst in this world! We can either become
"stars" (as the descendants of Abraham)or so much "dirt" (grains
May God bless klal Yisrael (all Israel/12 Tribes) to fulfill our
incredible NATIONAL potential! (Isaiah 62:1-2, 6-7).